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luvmypsp
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fahey said: downloading music is not illegal aslong as it is for personal use only. otherwise LIMEWIRE WOULD BE SHUT DOWN FOR SURE



Anyone remember NAPSTER and why it was shut down?

The so called sharing of copyright music, files, photos etc for private use does not stand up in a court of law.

If you have not bought the 'rights' to use the particular item you cannot have it in your possesion (download). Buying a particular copyright item only entitles you to listen to it (music).

The 'publication' of copyright material in a public forum (such as the internet) is against the law.

Put it this way. If you are caught either uploading a particular copyright item or downloading a copyright item without full consent (either by permission or payment) from the copyright owner you are stealing.

Want to hear something even more scary?

People who download music from their original CD's onto their iPOD or other MP3 players are also liable to prosecution. New laws where passed not long ago in regards to this.

How do i know? Cuz thats my job....
26/02/2007
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fahey
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ok so you mean to tell me that the police are gunna storm the 98.7% of people in the world who are downloading music right this very second. i think you are only in trouble if you begin to copy things to disk or give them to other people. but if thats your job, you would know
26/02/2007
Brisbane
roblaw
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i use imesh witch is bearshear to download about 4 GIG of music and vids and hav never paid a cent for any of it
26/02/2007
goldcoast, queensland
luvmypsp
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to answer your question fahey, yes, police are raiding peoples homes and catching them in the act. its not just music thats the issue. its also movies,software etc.

i can give you an example where police raided a persons home in the western suburbs here in melbourne and discovered over 5,000 CD's/DVD's that had unauthorised copyrighted material on them. without being too specific lets just say it is in the court process as we speak. lets also say that some markets over the westgate bridge will now have fewer sellers of these items.

i can also tell you that police have also worked closely with internet providers in ascertaining which users have got 'excessive' internet usage. thats the first mistake these offenders make. remember, everything you do is tracked with an IP address. having an excessive or high internet usage is making certain users stand out.

put simply, if your downloading 20Gb 30Gb or 100Gb (examples) per month constantly then you are asking for trouble.

the law is written in such a way where it doesnt really discriminate. it states that EVERY ONE who has unauthorised copied material is guilty of the act.

you cant write a law stating that its ok for me (as an example) to have 100 copied songs and you (as another example) to have 1000 copied songs and be punished. we have both broken the law.

another issue is that we dont have enough man power to catch every single person. what we try an do is target the big guns in the hope of curbing the problem.

its also like the illicit drug issue here in this country. authorities dont often target or focus the bulk of their attention to the smaller offenders. they tend to target the main players.

a chinese saying goes something like this. if you have a problem you dont cut it off at the ankles. you cut it off at the head.
26/02/2007
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fahey
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yeah that is fair enough and i understand but as for instance the police would not come after "Joe Bloggs" if every month he downloads a couple of songs to listen to. unless you are possibally the unluckiest man/woman in the world. but thanks for explaining and i do understand where you are coming from

*EDIT*
you are a police officer arent you lol
26/02/2007
Brisbane
luvmypsp
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yes i am in law enforcement
26/02/2007
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fahey
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so help me out here by law enforcement you mean policeforce lol
26/02/2007
Brisbane
IAMColonel
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yea and if police start raiding people's homes etc. You will have riots etc etc etc. And yea so thats not gonna happen, if it does, lol. well our law enforcement aint as smart as what i thought it was!

(that is in regards to personal use, not selling them on etc.)

The only reason i didnt lock this in the first place is out of interest to the actual topic. I am actually quite happy what we've got out of it
26/02/2007
Those damn pipe dreams.
luvmypsp
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this is getting slightly off topic...so i apologise in advance.

fahey, ummm..err...yup...lol...

IAM you would be suprised how many homes have been raided. Raiding a persons home isnt much fun (for me anyway). In the case of the 5,000 odd disks, the offender stated that all those disks were for personal use lmao !

The best fun ive had is actually attending the weekend market and conducting audits (a more umm 'user friendly' term we use). There are elaborate methods used in these situations to ensure that sales are conducted using the pirated disks which go to preparing a good brief of evidence. You should see them run when they are caught out.

Just imagine some B Grade Asian Kung-Fu movie where the offender is running through the market stalls knocking everything over with the authorities hot on their trail.
26/02/2007
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luvmypsp
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some interesting reading

www.smh.com.au/

www.theage.com.au/

if the links dont work, just paste them into your browser


26/02/2007
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fahey
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yeah OK maybe it is illegal . well im never speaking to you again then jokin man thanks for your input into the thread !
26/02/2007
Brisbane
IAMColonel
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The Age Article:

Tougher copyright laws passed
Canberra
December 8, 2004 - 9:30AM

ehem, bit out of date. Obviously didnt work did it
27/02/2007
Those damn pipe dreams.
novaboy032
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the best way to get someone in **** its to dob them into the tax department like omg i think hers not paying tax' or something
tax department = dig anything up on anyone

police = idiots who wont get off their ass to do my fingerprints when its said they have to...

sorry luvmypsp but cops are lazy.... (not aimed at anyone just cops in general)
27/02/2007
In Your Sock Draw
Patty16
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theres just to many people to target, its like 99% of people in the age groups of say 12 to 35+(for certain people) download music. THe cops cant catch them all. and if they sum how outlawed it, there would just be riots. i say the "musicians" and the "actors" deserve it, weren't all musicians about the music? not money? Some artists encourage it. And even amatuer bands are doing it to spread there rep. If anything i say its a big help. Some people cant afford to buy movies or music with all these other BS extra costs these days.
27/02/2007
Sydney
luvmypsp
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anyone hear on the news today (in melbourne) about the people who just got busted with pirated items

27/02/2007
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abuu91
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rockstar635 said: hey ppl, its me again, well wat im lookin for is a good site for music downloads that is 100% completly free, and ppl, plz dont recomend downloading limewire , cuz i do have it but it doesnt want to work lol,ne way , plz submit all ya good free music downloads sites plz!! thank u :p ;p ;p ;p



Thats illegal as doing that naughty stuff with little kids.

Though what isn't these days...
27/02/2007
pinked - Kiama, NSW
IAMColonel
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Yea mate, pirated items, not downloading music! Ok in a way the same yea, but for selling them etc.

Patty16 said: theres just to many people to target, its like 99% of people in the age groups of say 12 to 35+(for certain people) download music. THe cops cant catch them all. and if they sum how outlawed it, there would just be riots. i say the "musicians" and the "actors" deserve it, weren't all musicians about the music? not money? Some artists encourage it. And even amatuer bands are doing it to spread there rep. If anything i say its a big help. Some people cant afford to buy movies or music with all these other BS extra costs these days.



The song 'Download this Song - McLars' = sums that up perfectly.
27/02/2007
Those damn pipe dreams.
spanky
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LoL @ this whole discussion. Use torrents or lime wire etc you will never be caught. Just dont go down to your local swapmeet and try sell anything tho. thats when you'll get arrested.
27/02/2007
Perth
matimbi
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please give me the site where you download music for free
28/02/2007
south africa,johannesburg
Insect
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Download Imesh, They Pay about three mil to the record companys each year. you have the choice to pay or not, makes you wonder how they make three mil
28/02/2007
Sydney
IAMColonel
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matimbi said: please give me the site where you download music for free



Use google. Then go to the one you are sure won't give you viruses, oh hang on, they will all give you viruses, who knows then. lol.

try Limewire, google it.
28/02/2007
Those damn pipe dreams.
Kespen
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IAMColonel said: The song 'Download this Song - McLars' = sums that up perfectly.


Yeah it does. In fact, me and all of my known cousins downloaded that song because of the name.
And you'd think that the story of that song would increase(or decrease)music downloads too
28/02/2007
Woot woot woot... - Sydney NSW
luvmypsp
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spanky said: LoL @ this whole discussion. Use torrents or lime wire etc you will never be caught. Just dont go down to your local swapmeet and try sell anything tho. thats when you'll get arrested.



LMAO......you wanna make a bet ???

Remember downloaded content ends up on your PC via your internet provider. Thats all im gonna say.
28/02/2007
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IAMColonel
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*coughpornocough*

Yea we know lmpsp, but his point is, they'll never 'do' anything to us as the culprits, they'll get the people that are selling etc etc.

In the end, what'll happen is the internet providers will be made to close all that stuff down, and we won't be able to access it. Then they'll get sh1tty, because then the download use will drop ALOT!!
28/02/2007
Those damn pipe dreams.
luvmypsp
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can i just say that the quality of this thread is excellent. in fact i reckon its one of the best and most interesting ones on here.

good to get peoples thoughts on the subject rather than just flaming each other. lets keep it up !



01/03/2007
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