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Fayth said:
People should be who they want to be, not what some pedophile in a cape reads out of a book that was written by some hobos in the middle ages (slight exaggeration).

Wow, I find that highly offensive!

Just because of the few people that do wrong under the guise of priests, not everyone should be condemned!

In today's courts when being tried for murder, you need one witness to put you away for a decent amount of time and two to be absolutely sure. However there are nearly 450 or so "hobo" accounts about Jesus. And they all varied slightly. Two people can look at the same event and each one will take something slightly different away from it. If all of the "hobo" accounts were the same, I'd be questioning the authenticity of the book myself.

Yes, that went a tad far, but if you can see through my immaturity, i stand by my point.

Fayth said:

In today's courts when being tried for murder, you need one witness to put you away for a decent amount of time and two to be absolutely sure. However there are nearly 450 or so "hobo" accounts about Jesus. And they all varied slightly. Two people can look at the same event and each one will take something slightly different away from it. If all of the "hobo" accounts were the same, I'd be questioning the authenticity of the book myself.

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4 days ago

Those damn pipe dreams.

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....and there's billions of people on this earth that would stand up say with 100% conviction that they 'believe' there is a god, that they have "faith". It doesn't make it true - it just makes them believers. So why exactly do 2 billion people in the year 2008, believe in some stories that were written by 450 around 2000 years ago?

I just don't understand people's ignorance, the fact that everyone needs a belief to live past the fact that (UTL touched on it) we're all going to die, get buried or burnt and ultimately rot in the ground.

Fayth said: It seems to me that perhaps you've been hurt and if, by any chance you did believe in a higher presence, it has now been removed. Well, maybe if people did have a little more faith and did follow some of the principles, maybe then you wouldn't have had to go through whatever you experienced.

Of course the same could be said about the abuse stuff. We are humans at the end of the day and we make mistakes. What sets us apart from animals is that we can learn from them and keep records so that future generations will know about it and can learn from them too.

And yes, I still do find you're overtly exaggerated quote offensive. It comes as a double shock that it's come from an Admin. However, like I've always maintained, you have a right to your opinion... however unbalanced as it maybe...

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Spacko says:

Yeah that is true IAC, I was thinking the exact same thing.

If people want to believe in religion they can, but seriously, just don't make us involved.

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yeh iac right besides christians and catholics have being going around converting people for thousands of years it like those people care, there causing more trouble then anyone else

"just like dave chappelle said oh you come to our country steal our land, preach bout a new religion wow you think we really like that"

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Not religious, never have been, never will be.

Never "experienced" anything that has "removed" my faith, i've never had any faith in some hoax. I just looked at the world one day, grew tears in my eyes and realized, this is total and utter bs, why is this place so (expletive) up?

As someone said, animals learn. Ever seen the Melbourne Cup? Dog races? Dolphins, seals at Sea World?

The fact i'm an admin has nothing to do with this, it's my opinion, i never personally attacked you - and i'm sure if you went to less-family friendly websites you'd be copping so much crap right now, you'd be in tears (that wasn't meant to sound bad, but it's what would most likely happen).

I live by my beliefs, as should you, if that's what helps you live your life to the fullest.

I love this thread, we need more like it!

EDIT: OMG YOU CUT IN MY POST! ARRGHH! lol.

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so iac are you an Atheist lol?

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sidney

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Nope.

I'm a nothing.

I know atheist is meant to mean that, but now atheism is portrayed as some anit-religion, which is honestly not what i am. I'm just an aggravated person

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so your a Nontheist rejection of all gods

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untoldlegend says:

law44 said: so your a Nontheist rejection of all gods

Is that a bad thing to be? Think of all those gods out there, theres a lot of people who will be pissed off for picking the wrong religion if one of you are right.

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except for buddhism lol

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Wooo and I'm back.... But before I go any further; thank you all for your opinions - this has been a great topic! Ok so here goes.

@Insectoid: He gave us choice.
@Chambalam: Finally... someone that actually sees sense. This was not a bad thing - I can't see why people think, shutting down a bridge for one day on the weekend would be so inconvenient!
@UTL: Well I hesitated in saying what I really felt about divorce, because I understand how some people might be affected by it. Words might be words, but I'd rather not regret saying something later. And to expand to your answers:

1) Who has the right?
A) The parents... oh please... that somehow meant to signify that these people were mature enough to do it. Abortions in the majority of cases are done by people who made a "mistake". Those people... not relegious, of course, because "boys and girls - abortions are bad"... should use condoms? Yeah, make sense? Don't go killing a life because you were stupid enough not to use protection... euthanasia... well I don't know about that one... I personally have not yet come to a stance on it, so I think it's wrong to give an uneducated response.

2) Conception...
A) Yeah, I know what that is... but there is no term... for the spark that starts the division of cells. (best google that one first... keep updated for a further response).

3)Loss of child...
A) Please see point one. Cheers.

4) Forgiving.
A) Onl

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4A) Only if you're willing to repent

5) Commitment to one person - rarity.
A) Well perhaps that is due to the change in society that possibly needs to be addressed. Just because, as someone said, it's acceptable to do something (like have mulitple partners/ to have "experience" etc.), does not make it right? Yah? Like who knows what else is in this bracket too.

@Cham: Well if you're too young... you're not ready - emotionally/maturely... And with making mistakes comes the consequences... just because there is a quick way out... but then again, the psychological trauma alone... mmm...

@IAC: Ok, I'll see past the immaturity. As for the billions of people... how the heck do you want me to answer for them? That would take years of my life! But I always stand by my statement... it works for me.

@Spacko: I didn't ask people to get involved, I'm just asking if you have any opinions/misconceptions that you are willing to have a healthy discussion about. If you feel uncomfortable, by all means - you do not need to post.

@Law44: Yeah, that's one thing that does concern me too. It's a point I often bring up with the associations that do it.

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@IAC: You're hoax, is my truth. LOL! And I agree, please, stand by what you believe in. And if we are all going to die and there is nothing after... how do you explain the paranormal phenomenon? And maybe, the reason that people want to believe in the afterlife is so that they get some sense of justice from all the hardships that they are dealing with? Who knows... I only knows what works for me.

And I am glad that I bought some life back to this site. Things were quite dead around here! I have a feeling, that no matter what I do from here on in.... everyone is going to believe that I am some relegious nut... ah well... que sera sera (or however it's spelt). There is always more sides to discover. Thanks for the warm welcome to your site and for your open-mindedness. Till the next massive debate... Fayth out

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"religious nut" ... lulz!

Fayth said: @IAC: You're hoax, is my truth. LOL! And I agree, please, stand by what you believe in. And if we are all going to die and there is nothing after... how do you explain the paranormal phenomenon? And maybe, the reason that people want to believe in the afterlife is so that they get some sense of justice from all the hardships that they are dealing with? Who knows... I only knows what works for me.

Well that's what i was getting at, people believe in this stuff so strongly, that it's true to them, and can cause them to do bad things (eg. terrorism). If you believe and it helps you be the person you want to be and do the good things which you (and the rest of us) believe are right, then you have passed life. But if you believe and do things - that are not socially acceptable or a cruel, violent, selfish or insane, then i give you an epic fail. And there's nothing worse than epically failing life, eh?

In the end, every man or woman believes they are right, no one can really take away one's own opinion.

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repopulating says:

then who wrote the bible some dikhead off the street?

[start_flame]

4 days ago

lol

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That's pretty much what i said before, it's like wikipedia hahaha

You're religious but aren't ya, hah?

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